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The more I look at the political world, the more I feel that the most significant division is not between "liberal" and "conservative", but rather between "analysts" and "partisans".

Nobody is 100% in either camp, but I'd say that a 25-75 split is typical.

Some generalizations:

Partisans' opinions are guided by loyalty to their peers.
Analysts' opinions are guided by data.

Partisans reflexively seek information that confirms their beliefs.
Analysts reflexively seek information that challenges their beliefs.

Partisans do not show any affinity for numbers, and rely mostly on anecdotes.
Analysts disregard information that is not carefully measured and quantified.

Partisans are mostly concerned with ideas far removed from personal decisions and action.
Analysts are mostly concerned with ideas that have immediate practical use.

Partisans care about what other people think and try to persuade others of their correctness.
Analysts don't much care what other people think, but sometimes mislead others to secure their own advantage.

Partisans believe their cause is inherently moral and just.
Analysts see morality as arbitrary, and invoke it without sincerity.

Partisan differences are entrenched and inherently unresolvable.
Analysts often have differing goals, but gain strength through finding common ground.

Partisans believe the world is full of flaws that must be corrected.
Analysts do not judge the world as good or bad, but accept it on its own terms.

Partisans are frequently outraged when their expectations are violated.
Analysts are cool and unemotional, but skilled at generating outrage among their opponents.

Partisans sometimes imitate analysts, but cannot "pass" in an analytic environment.
Analysts don the cloak of partisanship easily, and use it to their advantage.

Partisans are loud and prominent, yet remain weak and easily manipulated.
Analysts quietly rule the world.

Clearly Analyst

Date: 2013-08-23 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That puts me squarely in the Analyst Camp.

I wonder if it is possible for outside influences to make you change?

I don't think it is a function of age.

My Aunt is certainly a Partisan. I think it is because she watches too much Fox News. But then Fox News could be a chicken and egg question. Does she watch Fox because she found they fit her world view or did her world view change because she watches Fox News?

It would seem the Fox News is the haven of Partisans.

I tend to Listen to NPR. Is All things Considered whee the analysts hang out?

For the most part I believe that the Partisans are the Religious in our country. Clearly Partisans share a black and white view of the world while Analysts see many steps between right and wrong.

Does it follow that Analysts are highly educated? Certainly, we question things instead of "take them on faith." Arguments don't work on Partisans, even when the proof is clear.

I like your presentation of this. It is true that Liberal and Conservative don't mean anything. I am very fiscally conservative but socially liberal. Republican and Democrat don't mean anything either. They seem to have changed places in recent years. The Democrats were always the poor and the Republicans were always the rich. I would love to see you expand on the Partisan/Analyst concept.

Re: Clearly Analyst

Date: 2013-08-23 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I would take care to avoid identifying liberalism with analysis and vice versa. There are lots of partisan liberals and analytic conservatives. At first approximation I'd say they aren't correlated at all.

But yeah, Fox is pretty partisan, as is Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc. When you read blogs like Marginal Revolution you start to see how shallow partisan arguments about the economy, in particular, really are. Strongly analytic people are very happy when they're proven wrong because that correction gives them a strategic advantage over those who haven't been similarly informed. It's more outwardly-directed, being about what they DO, rather than an inward focus on who they ARE.

I think analytic people naturally seek education, but education doesn't create it. One measure of analytic inclination is how readily you integrate data that runs counter to what you might have previously believed.

This was actually prompted by some comments on the latest child-shooting outrage. I see gun control as a losing proposition and am chronically irritated by liberal grandstanding on the issue. Sort of a backwards bounce on that. It's a partisan impulse, because it is of little practical value in my life. But I'm more irritated by liberal partisanship than conservative partisanship, because I hold liberals to higher standards! Needless to say, if a state came up with some sort of gun control program that actually WORKED, I'd be all for it.

Re: Clearly Analyst

Date: 2013-08-23 07:56 pm (UTC)
ext_173199: (IntelPolitics)
From: [identity profile]
Certainly there are analytic conservatives - but there seem to be a lot fewer of them in the mold of, say, William F. Buckley than there used to be... and a lot more ranting, fear-mongering ideologue partisans while the percentage of liberals impervious to reason and fact doesn't seem to have changed much.

Date: 2013-08-24 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm not sure that any state gun laws will work because guns can be brought in from another state. National gun registration on all gun sales would seem like that would work, but then I doubt that will become law any time in the near future.

Date: 2013-08-23 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Analysts get fired by the NSA / Turn into Snowden.

So much for 'Partisans believe their cause is inherently moral and just.' - seems analysts can do that too...
Edited Date: 2013-08-23 11:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-08-23 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh snd no

Analysts overthink things and draw themselves into spirals?

Date: 2013-08-24 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Well, well, Tony, you're more than just a fuzzy face. You're also brilliant!

Date: 2013-08-25 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I enjoy your posts but rarely reply because I don't have much to say and am lazy.

Been thinking about this one for a couple days. I think we are all both- we are analysts behind the camera and are partisans when we are in front of the camera.

Date: 2013-09-06 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'd like to think I use science and numbers to back up my claims, but, as we previously established, research itself is often a social construct, so who knows.

Time will tell, I suppose. I certainly generate outrage in both conservatives and liberals, because I don't embrace either platform in its entirety.
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